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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2024 8:07:29 GMT -5
just thought to share this with you all...
i was searching for "BASIC forum" somewhere and found this empty new forum on freeforums.net... seems quite useless it has QB64 and freebasic and GW-Basic on it - i think it's kinda sad and tragic that too many people start new forums of their own that usually end up like themselves with nothing 
it's funny like there is no shortage where you can post BASIC code and posts but if the people behind such "Forums" can't be part of any regular BASIC community then why should we trust this dude "forum" i mean who is promising us this guy (Admin whomever this guy is) won't delete his forum taking down everything we posted on his tiny forum? :/
i've seen so many forums and places open up and vanish to thin air it looks like an epidemic...
i guess the only thing left is to wish good luck to all the places and forums out there...
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Post by bplus on May 31, 2024 18:29:58 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2024 5:11:06 GMT -5
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Post by The Joyful Programmer on Jun 4, 2024 23:04:29 GMT -5
I think you guys have the wrong idea about what forums are and are not.
Forums are a place to socialize and discuss the topics associated with them. Forums are not code repositories.
Unlike the 1990s, in modern times, we no longer have to maintain code repositories on forums as we have a multitude of sites that provide that service, like GitHub.
Ron77's forum is not another useless place because it isn't a full code repository.
Yes! Forums come and go for a variety of reasons especially those themed around BASIC, which itself only has a extremely small following to begin with as compared to other programming languages like C++, RUST, GO, Python, and so forth.
Ron's forum is tiny for now and so is mine, but that is because we do not have enough people at the moment. Personally, I don't care if I get any more people on my BASIC forum or not (located at: thejoyfulprogrammer.com/forum/basic/) because it is only a starting point. Once I get the things the way I like it, I have seven other forums to create, which will make the BASIC forum look microscopic in comparison.
In my forums, I encourage people to post their code in a true code repository like GitHub and share a link to it, but also talk a little bit about the project and even share some screenshots. I do not provide any guarantees on how long the site will be up, especially since my web hosting costs me almost $800 for three years.
Matter of fact, there are no guarantees on how long any forum or site will remain online, so people should not be shocked when sites and forums go down, especially when those users disable ads which help us pay for our hosting.
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Post by aurel on Jun 5, 2024 1:25:40 GMT -5
Not true...not true ...not true... github become bull shit with crappy login which require phone number junk. there is no real Momentum because we use different languages and sharing code become useless or worthless ... in fact you cannot find 5 people which use one PL ..nobody seems interested ...only maybe B+ with endless graphical progies  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2024 3:19:48 GMT -5
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Post by The Joyful Programmer on Jun 5, 2024 16:53:08 GMT -5
Not true...not true ...not true... github become bull shit with crappy login which require phone number junk. there is no real Momentum because we use different languages and sharing code become useless or worthless ... in fact you cannot find 5 people which use one PL ..nobody seems interested ...only maybe B+ with endless graphical progies
Aurel,
I have had a GitHub account since 2015 and I do not have the Two-factor authentication enabled, nor do they have my phone number. All GitHub has is an email address.
There are around 10,000 programming languages in total that has been created since the dawn of programming languages with around 250 that are mostly used today. That 250 does not include any BASIC dialects. Why? Because BASIC, in any flavor, is the least popular programming language out there. Even Microsoft is discontinuing Visual Basic, which is the most popular BASIC programming language. There is a thread on the Cerberus-X forum titled, "Are BASIC Days Over?", that is a great discussion on this topic. You can find it at community.cerberus-x.com/forum/index.php?thread/193-are-basic-days-over/&pageNo=1.
To me, BASIC has always been a tool that allows me to create prototype projects in a quick manner, though I used QB64 a lot over the years due to the "positive" interactions I had with the community. However, when the interactions started turning more negative, I walked away from the community and stop using QB64 for the most part.
My GOTO programming language is C++ because it provides the power I crave, especially with all the libraries out there I can connect with to build more powerful apps and games, it has powerful philosophies behind it, as well as many other reasons.
The problems with most BASIC programming languages is they are not multi-paradigm, do not handle events, are single-threaded, and are not very extensible like more modern programming languages.
One reason that nobody seems interested in sharing code in BASIC forums is that projects are much larger then years before, and many projects have multiple files.
B+ is doing what I used to do many years ago in the QB64 community, which is creating and posting many graphical projects.
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Post by The Joyful Programmer on Jun 5, 2024 18:39:56 GMT -5
Now, in saying all that, I must admit that I do tinker around with QBasic 4.5, QBasic 7.1, and Visual BASIC for DOS in FreeDOS, along with other non-BASIC programming languages.
While I do have an instance of FreeDOS in Oracle VirtualBox, I also have a dedicated laptop I have FreeDOS installed on which has a 512 GB hard drive and 4 GiB of RAM that FreeDOS has access to.
Now, when I want to code in BASIC, I do it in FreeDOS.
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Post by aurel on Jun 6, 2024 1:25:55 GMT -5
Walt..
now i am wondering why you reply in so large amount of text..
you don't need to explain to me things i already know ..
and Cerberus are bunch of crappery-posters they use BlitzBasic/Monkey cloned work.
The Basic i use is semi-multiparadigm.... but that is not point of Basic
QB64 case is a story like many others ,,when original author goes away
blah ..blah ....and those are not projects than examples ..doodles
and on...and on....
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Post by The Joyful Programmer on Jun 6, 2024 2:56:05 GMT -5
Aurel,
I write a lot because I am not lazy and have things to say, as well as explain. I have no idea what you know or don't know, so assuming that I know what you know is a huge fallacy.
Cerberus-X is a forked clone of Monkey-X 2, just like DosBox-X is a forked copies of DosBox, and just like QB64-PE & QB64-Original are forked copies of QB64. As such, your argument on Cerberus-X has no merit.
BASIC can easily be multi-paradigm, nothing is preventing it to be that way.
Starship BASIC (the latest and final name of my project) will be a multi-paradigm BASIC programming language. Not only am I creating Starship BASIC for Windows and Linux, but also for FreeDOS as well.
I'm excited about creating it in FreeDOS so I can once again put my "ancient" knowledge to work. Since FreeDOS only runs on Intel-based processors, I can create my own compiler from scratch since I am very familiar with machine/assembly language on those types of processors. In FreeDOS, I can support 32-bit and 64-bit Intel-based processors with linear memory up to 4 GiB of ram and 16 EiB of ram respectively. Then there is multi-tasking (threads) support, running multiple apps within an app support, and even large screen resolutions. I'll talk more about this on Ron's new forum.
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Post by bplus on Jun 6, 2024 6:03:31 GMT -5
@walter you can call me mark if you want  it's true these Proboard Forums suck for projects, that's why you don't see my assets loaded games and gui, string math, interpreter, editor projects. s'ok not particularly revolutionary, more esoteric. Quick little graphics are fun to share with friends! @xt7 i will call you ron LOL i am glad to see you around again. i would argue with your term 'useless' but it's just opinion and i don't believe completely sincere. So a 'useless' waste of time to argue, except that's what old codgers seem to do with their friends probably keeps their mind sharp and active. |
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Post by aurel on Jun 6, 2024 7:18:50 GMT -5
yes Walt i get it ...you write a lot and then you forget who is who and whom you already reply what ...hmmm bunch of MarkSibly folowers aka Blitz-Basic fans tend to talk about Cerberus which is clone of MS Monkey2 lang they think that Blitzer is the best BASIC ever made ..of course is not ...far away from best and what a heck i said than that ...  |
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Post by aurel on Jun 6, 2024 7:25:54 GMT -5
FreeDos is a freakin linux di-je -sro (distro) trans: where -he -poop |
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Post by aurel on Jun 6, 2024 7:37:29 GMT -5
btw ron is good guy ...but is too melancholic for my taste with all this apocaliptic ...programs .... where are comedy programs ..like .. who have bigger to trigger |
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Post by The Joyful Programmer on Jun 6, 2024 15:26:07 GMT -5
@walter you can call me mark if you want it's true these Proboard Forums suck for projects, that's why you don't see my assets loaded games and gui, string math, interpreter, editor projects. s'ok not particularly revolutionary, more esoteric. Quick little graphics are fun to share with friends! @xt7 i will call you ron LOL i am glad to see you around again. i would argue with your term 'useless' but it's just opinion and i don't believe completely sincere. So a 'useless' waste of time to argue, except that's what old codgers seem to do with their friends probably keeps their mind sharp and active.
Thank you, Mark.
It's not just Proboard forums, it's all forums in general, in my opinion. Projects get easily lost on forums, for one thing, and they become increasingly difficult to maintain for another, at least in my opinion, especially for one person.
All I ever wanted to do is share and socialize with "friends", but people like Sprezzo (Bill), Steve, Fellippe, and a few others put a bad taste in my mouth over the years.
Personally, I do not think Ron's BASIC forum is useless because I see it as a part of him. He has posted a lot more stuff on his forum then I have on mine ( thejoyfulprogrammer.com/forum/basic/).
I still use the MyBB forum software, and this time, it is completely different. I installed the "Roundo" theme I found on MyBB's site and heavily modified it. I call the new theme, "Cosmos", which is based on the theme I created for my main WordPress site and my MediaWiki ( thejoyfulprogrammer.com/wiki/). All three of my sites are mobile-friendly.
Once I get all the bugs and kinks worked out of my MyBB BASIC forum theme, I have seven more forums to create. Thankfully, it is very easy and fast to copy my theme to all new MyBB forums.
I have spent a great deal of time setting up my WordPress, MediaWiki, and MyBB sites. I relatively new to WordPress, so I had a lot to learn about it. Plus, I spent over $400.00 on various plugins and themes on it. I spent a lot of time learning the latest version of MediaWiki as well, and going through all the plugins, seeing which ones I want and testing them. The Wiki and BASIC forum are open for business (pun intended), but my main site is still closed until I can decide on what content to add.
The reason I'm interested in creating a version of Starship BASIC for FreeDOS is that the OS has a huge following and it has been around since 1994. Also, they were able to build a variety of apps to use in DOS, like 7Zip and SQLite. As such, my love for DOS has been rekindled and I am enjoying once again.
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Post by The Joyful Programmer on Jun 6, 2024 15:28:02 GMT -5
FreeDos is a freakin linux di-je -sro (distro) trans: where -he -poop
Whatever it is, I am enjoying it, as well as many others out there including Norby.
Funny post, by the way!
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Post by The Joyful Programmer on Jun 6, 2024 15:33:54 GMT -5
btw ron is good guy ...but is too melancholic for my taste with all this apocaliptic ...programs .... where are comedy programs ..like .. who have bigger to trigger
Ron is a great guy indeed!
I have always leaned more towards the underdog my entire life, which is why I get along with them better than I do "normal" people.
Comedy programs? Now that is a very interesting concept I never thought about. hum... I like that.
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Post by The Joyful Programmer on Jun 6, 2024 18:53:20 GMT -5
Here's a screenshot of my Windows 11 desktop while running Ubuntu 24.04 Pro and FreeDOS 24.04 in VirtualBoxs:
I'm running VisualBASIC v1.0 for DOS in FreeDOS.
Here's QBasic v4.5 running in FreeDOS:
No DOSBox here!
FreeDOS has 128 GiB of disk space allocated to it, as well as access to 4 GiB of RAM.
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Post by The Joyful Programmer on Jun 6, 2024 18:58:59 GMT -5
Those screenshots of VBDos and QB are in SCREEN 0 at 40, 25. However, I changed the screen mode to 80 x 50 and here's what those two look like:
VBDos:
QBasic v4.5:
You can change the screen mode in FreeDOS with MODE 80, 50. Since I can scale the VirtualBox window in FreeDOS, I can make it bigger to see things better if needed.
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Post by aurel on Jun 9, 2024 2:28:53 GMT -5
Hey Walt ..is that really a true ?
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